TIMS WHIMS

Fri. recap- Race 1- 2nd pick won (6.80) Top pick 2nd (3.80) Ex (10.70). Race 2- 2nd pick won (7.20)2nd 1st timer 2nd (13.20) top 1st timer 3rd (3.20)- Picks boxed-Ex ( 62.70) Trifecta (341.90). Race 3- 2nd pick won (5.40) top pick 4th. Race 4- Top pick won (5.60) 2nd pick 3rd (3.20) 3rd pick 2nd (5.80) 4th pick 4th, Top pick keyed or boxed- Ex (15.60) Trifecta (56.90) Superfecta (167.90). Race 5-3rd pick won (6.60). Race 6- 2nd pick won (7.60). Race 7-2nd pick 2nd (6.80) 3rd pick won (5.60) Ex (27.70). Race 8- only 1st timer won (18.40) 3rd pick 2nd (4.40) 4th pick 3rd (7.40) 1st timer keyed or boxed with picks- Ex (45.70) Trifecta (458.00).

Today was a good example of the 5 point difference between horses rule for your picks. Six of the winners were within 5 points of the top pick , most were within 3 points of the top pick.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- The 5 point difference between horses rule (see Dec. 23 post).

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st timers in the order I believe they will finish.

RACE 1
3-DEALER CHOICE 110.0
9-MISTO QUENTE 99.8
11-WARRIOR SONG 99.8
1A-TINQUILCO 99.8 (entry)

1st time starters - 1 (entry)

RACE 2
6-QUIET KIM 73.1
1-SWEET BELLE 73.1
3-LITTLE SIERRA 64.2
5-WILDOUT 63.2

RACE 3
3-GALLOPING ANGEL 88.9
6-NORTHERN MISCHIEF 82.6
7-DARK BEAUTY 80.8
1-LADY PEGASUS 79.6

1st time starters - 4 (in U.S.A. - Fgn)

RACE 4
3-ELUSIVE DIVA 117.2
11-RESPLENDENCY 105.6
10-GUIDEBOOK 101.1
1-CHASETHEGOLD 98.4

RACE 5
1-TENTH STREET 86.3
6-VALLEY'S PASSION85.0
3-GONE CATTIN 83.8
4-CINEMA STAR 77.8

RACE 6 (NOTE: with ten 1st time starters this might be a good race to watch)
6-STORMFEST 79.0
7-DIAMOND SUCKER 73.1

1st time starters - 10, 12, 5, 9, 4, 11, 3, 1, 2, 8

RACE 7
3-MONTANA RIDGE 105.2
8-ADMIRALTY ISLAND 94.5
6-NEW RULE 91.9
5-BONANZA TWO 91.3

RACE 8
12-LEAVE ME ALONE 118.6
1-GREAT INTENTIONS 117.9 (entry)
9-TRICKLE OF GOLD 116.4
3-MY MISS STORM CAT 102.5
1A-MYSTIC CHANT 102.5 (entry)

RACE 9
9-GENUINE COUNTESS 52.1
4-MYSKINA 45.1
8-JULEP CUP 44.6
11-GREEN EYED GIRL 32.3

1st time starters - 1, 7, 5, 6, 10

Thurs. recap- Race 1- Top pick won (3.20) 3rd pick 2nd (3.40) 2nd pick third (2.80) Top pick keyed- Ex (6.20) Trifecta (18.10). Race 2- Top pick 2nd (3.80) 2nd pick won (5.40) boxed -Ex (8.40) 4th pick 3rd (2.80) boxed- Trifecta (22.30). Race 3- 2nd pick 3rd (2.40) 3rd pick 2nd (5.20) 4th pick won (14.60) picks boxed- Ex (33.40) Trifecta (72.00). Race 4- 3rd pick 2nd (3.40) 2nd pick 4th. Race 5- 1st time starter won (22.80) 2nd pick 3rd (3.40)3rd pick 4th. Race 6- Top pick won (10.80) Daily Double (189.60) 3rd pick 2nd (6.40) 3rd pick 3rd (6.80) 2nd pick 4th, boxed Ex 29.20 Trifecta (275.30) Superfecta (675.00). Race 7- top pick 3rd (3.20) 2nd pick 2nd (4.80) 4th pick 4th. Race 8- 3rd pick won (7.80) 4th pick 2nd (5.00) top pick 3rd 92.60) picks boxed- Ex (15.00) Trifecta (35.80).

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated under my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st timers in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- The 5 point difference between horses rule (see Dec. 23 post).

RACE 1
8-YUMMY YUMMY 82.0
1-OLE CHERYL 81.4
2-ALLTROIENNE 72.6
5-OKIE DOKIE KOOKIE 72.6

RACE 2
3-DIXIE BREW 46.9
4-UNBRIDLED GROOM 46.0
10-MARTIN K 45.1
5-ROADHOUSE BANDIT 43.5

1st time starters - 2, 11, 9

RACE 3
4-CLASSICAL LADY 96.5
7-QUICKFIRE 93.8
2-SPIRIT OF NATURE 92.6
6-CALL A JUDGE 91.9

RACE 4
2-SUNRISE SUMMER 86.3
5-JAZZNWITHCANDY 83.8
3-CHARMING AFLEET 81.4
7-JET PROPELLED 77.2

1st time starters - 4, 6

RACE 5
5-MAYACAMA 83.2
2-CHANEL ISLANDS 82.0
1-BRAVE VIXEN 81.4
10-PLAYING 'R SONG 79.6

RACE 6
6-SWISS TIZZY 76.0
1-EXQUISITE BEAUTY 70.9
7-LADY KAMALA 65.4
5-ATENSION 62.7

RACE 7
10-EVRYBDYLUVSDAHEAT 94.5
9-LIKE NEW MONEY 93.1
1-COMMON TRUST 91.9
7-WALTER RINGER 86.9

RACE 8
10-KAURI CLIFFS 56.5
9-ONLY GIRLS 54.5
11-IT'S VODKA TALKING 53.5
12-SAN CAPER 43.3

1st time starters - 4

REMEMBER - 1st time starters cannot be rated under my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st timers in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER - The 5 point difference between horses rule (see Dec. 23 post).

RACE 1
4-AURELIANO 66.4
3-ELISEOS 58.5
1-COOL MAN 55.0
6-CENTAURI 50.0

1st time starters - 2, 5

RACE 2
6-RANCH HAND 87.5
8-FULL MOON MADNESS 80.2
4-KINSHIP 76.0
1-MASHIKO 62.7

RACE 3
4-BEND 85.0
1-GREAT OPINIONS 82.6
2-WISE INVESTOR 76.0
3-VAMP 75.0

1st time starters - 7 (in U.S.A.-Fgn.)

RACE 4
11-MAMBO DANCER 86.9
8-LEGEND GLORY 82.0
2-GOLD BANKERS GOLD 81.4
1-BONUS PAY DAY 78.4

RACE 5
8-PRESIDENTIAL CAUSE 78.8
10-SKY DIVING 67.0
5-ROCK CREEK PASS 63.6
1-OUTRAGEOUS LIMIT 58.8

1st time starters - 3

RACE 6
7-SPEED TRAP 75.4
9-KLAMATHFALLSASLEEP 74.9
6-S S STRANGE 74.3
11-CLASSY LOVER 72.0
2-LOWER SHORE 72.0

RACE 7
1-GRECIAN 100.4
6-ETERNAL MELODY 98.4
5-MIDWIFE 98.4
2-SILVER CUP 95.8

RACE 8
4-LARRY KING 67.5
8-SAMMY'S JAMMIES 53.5
7-MISSED SUMMER 52.0
14-LION'S VALENTINE 47.1
5-BOSTON DIRECT 47.1

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- the 5 points difference between horses rule (see Dec. 23 post).

RACE 1
5-SMOKE DREAMS 86.3
12-MAGDALENO 77.8
1-ORO DE OLE' 75.4
13-HOT MELODY 70.1

1st time starters - 10

RACE 2
1-STARLET OF SEATTLE 90.7
7-PURE INCENTIVE 90.7
3-MISS ANITA 88.1
6-I'MALADYTAK 75.4

RACE 3
5-HALLOWED DREAM 87.5
2-ROYAL EVE 85.0
8-FOLLOW YOUR BLISS 61.1
6-FIRM AND FAIR 61.1
1st time starters - 7, 10

RACE 4
4-WANNA RUNNER 94.5
5-RAMSGATE 90.7
8-REFINERY 83.1
2-KISSIN KNIGHT 74.9

RACE 5
7-LORD CLEAN SWEEP 60.6
10-PREPPY PILOT 57.0
2-DRIVEN BY EXCESS 33.4
13-FREE HOUSE CALLS 27.9

1st time starters - 8, 3, 1, 4, 9, 14

RACE 6
8-WE ALL LOVE ALEYNA 114.3
5-FULLBRIDLED 110.0
4-CAPTAIN SQUIRE 106.6
7-CALKINS ROAD 104.5

RACE 7
2-PRESS CAMP 99.1
1-WINDY 81.4
7-SEAM SEEKER 78.4
4-UNCHANGED MELODY 75.4

RACE 8
8-CAPE KENNEDY 73.1
2-ADAMANT 61.6
11-KRISTINA'S B D BOY 60.6
6-BOLD REGENT 49.2

1st time starters - 4

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- the 5 points difference between horses rule (see Dec. 23 post).

RACE 1
12-SONNY JONES 66.4
8-RUN WITH THE MONEY 55.5
1-AUNT RITA'S TOMCAT 55.5
14-START YODELING 55.5

1st time starters - 3, 2, 10, 11

RACE 2
9-BUZZARDS BAY 100.9
7-WARRIOR SONG 100.4
6-CHINESE DRAGON 99.8
5-LUMBRE 98.9

RACE 3
2-DA STOOPS 98.4
6-BRITE MANEAUVERS 88.1
5-DIRECT CONNECT 85.6
7-MOONLITE ROMANCE 77.2

RACE 4
10-SILK QUEEN 79.0
8-LOCKITUP 71.4 (off slow)
9-KENTUCKY SOUVENIR 70.3
1-SIXY SURPRISE 65.4

1st time starters - 4, 7, 5, 3, 6

RACE 5
4-EXCESS TEMPTATIONS 103.1
3-K C NITE MAYR 98.4
2-FREEDOM'S KEY 95.2
5-SAINT CHRISJON 93.9
10-CHARMO 93.2

RACE 6
5-CINDAGO 88.8
7-MOWGLI 67.5
9-KING FOR A DAY 52.6+
2-MISTER TRIESTER 18.3

1st time starters - 1 (entry), 8, 6, 10, 4, 11, 12

RACE 7
7-RAILROAD 106.6
2-EASTERN SAND 105.9
3-COSMONAUT 105.9
10-TEDO 104.5
1-FOLLOW THE RAINBOW 104.5

RACE 8
4-ATTILA'S STORM 117.2
6-PROUD TOWER TOO 111.4
1-GREELEY'S GALAXY 109.3
2-THOR'S ECHO 107.3

RACE 9
1-BLUE STELLER 100.4
2-COMMANDING CREEK 99.8
8-HESABULLY 98.9
4-MANANAN MCLIR 97.8

There is no racing at Santa Anita today. We will have our picks and selections up for racing tomorrow - opening day.


MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS

There is no racing at Santa Anita today. Racing will start on Monday 12/26/2005 at 12:00 noon.

Things to look for at Santa Anita's meet.

Look for fewer controversial rulings from the stewards at this meet with the appointment of established veterans Tom Ward, George Slender, and newcomer Scott Chaney, a former assistant to trainer Darrell Vienna.

Look for two wel-regarded 2 year olds beginning opening day at Santa Anita. Cindago from Sadler's barn and Point of Impact from Bob Baffert's stable. Point of Impact is a $750,000 son of 2001 Horse of the Year Point Given's first crop.

Look for Steve Knapp, who won his first training title at the Oak Tree meet, to continue his winning ways at Santa Anita. He has quite a few turf horses and about 50 horses overall in his active stable. He rested about 15 horses getting them ready for the Santa Anita meet. He has a lot of horses ready to run.

Look for Santa Anita to remove it's replay show from the over-the-air T.V. It will only be shown over the selfish Magna-owned HRTV, the track's in-house network.

Look for more talk about bringing Polytrack to the Southern California tracks. It's not a matter of "if" it is going to happen but "when" it's going to happen. It should bring some out-of-town trainers and horses to California as they now claim that they don't race in California because the surfaces here pose a greater risk of injury than their home tracks.

Look for more owners in California to quit racing and quit the game. As races don't fill and go, as more purses go down and expenses keep going up it creates a bad combination for the owners. They are getting tired of it.

Look for racing meets in the future (3-4 years) to have a combination of quarter horses and thoroughbreds on the same card. I am not talking about the Fair meets but at our regular tracks. Possibly with 10 to 11 races with 6 being thoroughbred races and 5 being quarter horse races.

Look for further major problems at all California tracks before anything is done to stop the decline of the tracks, purses, and number of horses at the meet. California's racing's future appears dim.

There is no racing at Santa Anita today. Racing will begin on Monday, 12-26-2005.

Hints about my system.

- You should always remember the 5 point rule between horses. Any horse that is rated within 5 points of each other has a good chance of beating them on any given day. You should also consider a horse who is dropping or moving up in class. If drop is large enough he may be very competitive with the horses at this level. The same is true with a horse moving up the class level. If the jump in class is too much he may have a difficult time being competetive with these horses.

Not every race should be bet.

First time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must always be considered. I will list the 1st timers in the order I believe they will finish at the bottom of each race's picks. I take into consideration-work out times, number and distance of workouts, trainers connections and morning line oddsmaker predections.

There is no horse racing at Santa Anita today. Racing will resume on Monday, 12/26/2005.

We will get to have some turf races and maybe more horses per race at Santa Anita. Santa Anita has one of the most unusal and beautiful turf course in the 6 1/2 furlong down hill. Most bettors think the inside posts are the place to be. I have found that the horses with the outside posts tend to do better on the downhill course.

Another mistake that bettors make is they believe the turf course is softer than the normal track. The turf is harder and faster than the normal track. The speed figures need to be adjusted for this when a horse is changing from one surface to the other.

I also have noticed that 1st time starters tend to have problems when their first start is from post position # 1 on the main track. The horse tends to break toward the rail and thus does not break as fast as the others. This is also true with a 1st timer starting from the far outside post. He will tend to break to his right. Naturally this is not true for all 1st time starters but it must be considered while handicapping the race.

I hope that Santa Anita has some qualified stewards that will make fair and just decisions on the rules and jockey objections. At Del Mar and Hollywood Park you not only had to beat the other horses you had to beat the Stewards unjust decisions. As a trainer or jockey a lot depended upon what your name was and what you attitude towards the stewards was. I hope this is not the case at Santa Anita.

Friday I will post some tips on my system.

There is no racing at Santa Anita today. Racing will resume on Mon. 12/26/2005.

Some questions answered.

Why do I post 4 horses for each race? I post 4 horses with their ratings for each race as my figures are made and usually posted before scratches. If one is scratched you would still have 3 selections. I also like to play superfectas and trifectas with my system and to box the different horses or key the top horses to the others.

Recap payouts - I list the payouts on the minimum bet such as a $1 trifecta, $2 Quinella, $1 Exacta, $1 Superfecta, etc. as given by the track results. I have a small advantage betting here in Reno on Quinellas at the racebook I go to as they offer a "house Q"- this is 1/2 the win price times the place horses price. Then they pay either the track payout or the "house Q" payout, and I receive the highest of the two.

Are my listed horses in the order that they should be bet? N0- I have pointed out the 5 point difference rule many many times (see Nov. 22 post). Also the 1st time starters cannot be rated under my system and they must always be considered. I do try to list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish. If there are a couple of high rated horses and then a gap between the next horse's figure I would usually include the 1st timer. If his works are very good I would also include him.

Do I make money all the time? I make money over a longer period of time but I have streaks just like every bettor does. Monday was a very good day for me with the trifectas. The next racing day????

I post my picks with the ratings, I post the payouts that were possible if you used the picks. How you bet the picks is the key. My top horse wins alot but many of the payouts are small. If the 5 point rule is there I may bet the 2nd or 3rd horse to win. I only make win bets (no place or show) unless the odds are very high on my selection, then I may make a place bet. I never bet a show bet.I like to key my horses that stand out with their ratings and or box 3 or 4 horses for my trifectas and superfectas. If I make a quinella bet I usually box three horses unless I have a standout to key and then I key that horse to three others.

I hope this has answered some of the questions that you have about my system. I post information on the system on non racing days at the Southern Calif. tracks. You can go back on my posts on those days for more information.The best handicapping tool you can have? GOOD LUCK.

There is no Southern California racing until after Christmas at Santa Anita.

We had a Very Merry closing day at Hollywood Park. Our exotic bets did very well on Monday. If you boxed my picks you hit 5 trifectas.

Mon. recap- Race-1 Top pick was eased, 2nd pick won (6.80) There was a dead heat between my 3rd and 4th picks for 2nd place. #2 (2.60) # 4 (7.00) Ex (7-4 = 24.70) Ex ( 7-2 = 6.80) Q ( 7-4 = 30.40) Q (7-2 = 6.80) Picks boxed-Trifecta (7-2-4 = 43.50) (7-4-2 = 86.70) Note: if picks were boxed you collected both payouts. Race 2- Top pick won (8.20) 3rd pick 2nd (8.80) Ex (35.00) Q (44.20). Race 3- Top pick 2nd (3.00) 2nd pick won (8.60) Ex (10.10) Q (8.60)3rd pick lost rider, 4th pick 3rd (3.40) picks boxed- Trifecta (36.60) . Race 4- 4th pick won (20.60) 3rd pick 2nd (5.40) Top pick 3rd (3.00) picks boxed- EX (43.50) Q (42.60) Trifecta (189.90) top 1st timer 4th, Superfecta (1,099.80). Race 5- 4th pick won (6.60) 2nd pick 3rd (4.20). Race 6-Top 1st timer won (8.60) 2nd pick 2nd (10.20) 3rd pick 3rd (20.60) Top 1st timer keyed or boxed with picks- Ex (41.90) Q (57.40) Trifecta ( 1,669.50) YES I HAD THE TRIFECTA -I keyed the top 1st timer to my top 3 picks, total bet $6. If you added the 2nd 1st timer to your Superfecta ticket it paid (15,835.30)-Note racebook where I played do not accept superfecta bets. Race 7- 2nd pick 2nd (5.60) 3rd pick 3rd (4.60) 4th pick won (8.60) picks boxed- Ex (23.60) Q (21.80) Trifecta (63.00). Race 8- Top pick 2nd (4.40) 2nd pick 3rd (3.80) 4th pick eased.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL MY FELLOW HORSE BETTORS.
I will post daily between the break with comments, questions answered, information on my system, etc.

Sat. recap- For the 2nd day in a row 5 of our top picks won their race. Race 1-Top pick won(5.00) 2nd pick 2nd (5.60) Ex (17.60) Q (21.20) 4th pick 3rd (3.60) top pick keyed or boxed-Trifecta (56.00) 3rd pick 4th. Race 2-Superfecta in order (77.70) Top pick won (3.00) Daily Double (11.80) 2nd pick 2nd (2.60) Ex (3.50) Q (4.80) 3rd pick 3rd (3.00) Trifecta (19.80) 4th pick 4th. Race 3- 4th pick won (12.00) 2nd pick 2nd (4.60) 3rd pick 3rd (7.20) Top pick 4th. Picks boxed- Trifecta 113.60 Ex (17.40) Q (19.00). Race 4- Top pick won (4.40) 2nd pick 3rd (2.80) 3rd pick 4th. Race 5- 3rd pick won (6.80) 2nd pick 3rd (5.40) Ex(19.20) Q (17.20) we had a note that the top pick had been off 5 yrs. & was 9 yr. old- He broke last. Race 6- We had a note to watch this one with 9 1st time starters. 1st timer won (20.80) our 2nd listed 1st timer 2nd (12.80) our 3rd pick 3rd (22.00) 4th pick 4th. Race 7- Top pick won (3.40) 3rd pick 3rd (9.20) 4th pick 4th. Race 8- last pick won (9.20) top pick 2nd (3.40) pick tied for 3rd was 3rd in D.H. (2.40) top pick keyed or boxed- Ex (12.40) Q (16.60) Trifecta (19.80).

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- the 5 points difference between horses rule (see Dec. 13 post).

RACE 1
6-SPECIAL FAVOR 72.0
8-LOVE BEAT 69.2
1-DEVOTED TO YOU 67.5
5-STEPHEN'S GHOST 64.3

RACE 2
8-BROADWAY PLAYER 92.0
7-WINNING TACTICS 82.6
6-SENIOR DISCOUNT 79.0
4-PAPA SQUIRREL 73.1

RACE 3
2-AT DAWN 87.6
3-FULL GALLOP 86.3
4-SKYRIDER 85.0
6-I'M FAST TOO 81.4

RACE 4
5-FUNNY PROSPECT 57.5
8-STAR OF SPRING 47.8
2-TRUE AND FAITHFUL 46.4
3-SUNSHINE ON ANNIE 44.2
7-COTORRA 44.2

1st time starters - 10

RACE 5
5-NOSTALGIE 87.5
6-BUBBLES AGAIN 85.6
1-EXCESSIVELY NICE 80.2
2-EARLY RONAN 79.6

RACE 6
10-TONNERRE 81.4
3-DIXIE CHIC 63.8
6-WILD R. N. 61.6
8-SWEET VENGEANCE 16.1

1st time starters - 9, 5, 1, 7, 2, 4

RACE 7
3-WATCH OVER ME 110.0
5-BLAIRS ROARIN STAR 100.4
1-OCEANUS 97.1
8-KHYBER PASS 96.5

RACE 8
3-MEETMEINTHEWOODS 107.2
4-BALANCE 99.8
5-POLITICAL WEB 86.3
6-PRIVATE WORLD 85.7

RACE 9
4-DELIVERING SPEED 91.9
11-WESTERN DROUILLY 91.3
9-LUTHER 78.4
2-VALID AGAIN 76.6

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- the 5 points difference between horses rule (see Dec. 13 post).

RACE 1
2-DA SEVDONYA 83.2
5-TEQUILA LANA 80.8
4-NEWYEARRESOLUTION 76.6
1-ALL AGLOW 74.6

RACE 2
5-NORWAY HOUSE 80.8
3-BARBARIAN 80.2
2-TOMMYLAND 72.4
6-VERMEIL 71.6

RACE 3
5-HONEELUV DROP 48.8
6-DEE'S A LEGEND 41.6
7-MOTHER MARIA 38.8
1-MADAME BLACKFOOT 29.6

1st time starters - 2

RACE 4
5-MEMORLY 68.1
8-LADY'S CAPER 66.4
7-OLYMPIC EXPERIENCE 65.4
1-DAILY FORECAST 63.8

RACE 5
7-MUEVETE 72.6
8-DESERT GAL 69.8
4-CELTIC WAY 65.4
2-SUSPICIOUS TOWN 64.3

RACE 6
5-CLIPPER SPIRIT 62.2
1-GOLDEN VIA 55.5
7-ONEINSPIREDTOPPER 46.4
11-BRITE BUT WILD 39.0

1st time starters - 4, 12, 10, 3

RACE 7
5-RATTLESNAKE JOE 81.4
6-FUNKY FRIENDS 80.2
7-SAY TOMORROW 76.6
4-JOHN HENNESSY 73.7

RACE 8
4-IVY LEAGUE GENIUS 60.1
7-LAZER PARK 59.6
3-RIVER SONG 55.0
5-WATCH ME WIN 48.8

1st time starters - 1

Hollywood Park had the option to race today and chose not to race. The last week for their meet will run Thursday thru Monday. Then we we have a small break and open at Santa Anita on Dec. 26th.

Hints about my system. - You should always remember the 5 point rule between horses. Any horse that is rated within 5 points of each other has a good chance of beating them on any given day. You should also consider a horse who is dropping or moving up in class. If drop is large enough he may be very competitive with the horses at this level. The same is true with a horse moving up the class level. If the jump in class is too much he may have a difficult time being competetive with these horses.

Not every race should be bet.

First time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must always be considered. I will list the 1st timers in the order I believe they will finish at the bottom of each race's picks. I take into consideration-work out times, number and distance of workouts, trainers connections and morning line oddsmaker predections.

There is no horse racing at Hollywood Park Today. Racing resumes tomorrow.

Here is some information about my system for the new people.

My system does not use computer generated selections. All selections are made with an ordinary home calculator and ink pen. I use the assigned weight of the jockey (better horses are assigned more weight), the horses best two speed ratings of his last 3 races (how fast he ran for the conditions). I use the last three places the horse finished in his races ( was he placed at the right level by the trainer). I adjust ratings for turf to dirt and dirt to turf (most horses run faster on the turf). I also make an adjustment for the distance of the race.

I have a mathmatical formula I created over a 5 year period over 25 years ago. The final number that I list after each selection has taken in all these factors.A horse should have had 3 races for the figure to be completely accurate. I do list a figure if a horse has run only 1 race but he may not repeat the effort the same way.A difference of 5 points on the top selection from the 2nd selection should be a good bet. Any horses within 5 points have a good chance of beating him to the finish.We all know that the best horse does not always win. Stumbles, clipped heels, no racing room and boxed in on the rail and most of all Jockeys dumb decisions account for most horses problems.

I hope this helps our new followers understand the system better and how the selections are made.Watch the point differences between the selections and then make your decision on how to bet the race. I wish you the most important factor of all GOOD LUCK.

Sun. recap- Race 1- Top pick 3rd (2.40) 3rd pick won (3.20) 4th pick 2nd (5.20) picks boxed- Q (10.80) Ex (7.80). Race 2- Top pick won (5.20) 2nd pick 2nd (6.90) Ex (6.90) 4th pick 3rd (3.20) top pick keyed-Trifecta (35.40). Race 3- 4th pick won (9.80). Race 4- Top pick 2nd (3.20) only 1st timer 3rd (3.80). Race 5- 2nd pick won (5.40) 3rd pick 3rd (3.20). Race 6- Note: this race had 11 1st time starters listed. If you took my top pick with top 4 1st timers you made some very good money. Top pick 2nd(3.40) top 1st timer won (12.00) Ex (22.90) Q (20.40) 4th 1st timer 3rd, 2nd 1st timer 4th - boxed - Superfecta (3,122.90) Trifecta (209.40). Race 7- 4 picks boxed- Superfecta (121.30) Trifecta (44.90) Top pick 2nd (3.00) 2nd pick won (10.60) Ex (11.20) Q (9.60) 4th pick 3rd (3.00) 3rd pick 4th. Race 9- top 3 picks boxed - Trifecta (45.80) Ex (22.00) Q (23.20) 3rd pick won (9.00) 2nd pick 2nd (5.00) top pick 3rd (2.40).

There is no horse racing at Hollywood Park today. Racing will be held on WED. 12/14/2005.

Some questions answered.

Why do I post 4 horses for each race? I post 4 horses with their ratings for each race as my figures are made and usually posted before scratches. If one is scratched you would still have 3 selections. I also like to play superfectas and trifectas with my system and to box the different horses or key the top horses to the others.

Recap payouts - I list the payouts on the minimum bet such as a $1 trifecta, $2 Quinella, $1 Exacta, $1 Superfecta, etc. as given by the track results. I have a small advantage betting here in Reno on Quinellas at the racebook I go to as they offer a "house Q"- this is 1/2 the win price times the place horses price. Then they pay either the track payout or the "house Q" payout, and I receive the highest of the two.

Are my listed horses in the order that they should be bet? N0- I have pointed out the 5 point difference rule many many times (see Nov. 22 post). Also the 1st time starters cannot be rated under my system and they must always be considered. I do try to list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish. If there are a couple of high rated horses and then a gap between the next horse's figure I would usually include the 1st timer. If his works are very good I would also include him.

Do I make money all the time? I make money over a longer period of time but I have streaks just like every bettor does. Yesterday was a very good day for me with the trifectas. The next racing day???? I post my picks with the ratings, I post the payouts that were possible if you used the picks. How you bet the picks is the key. My top horse wins alot but many of the payouts are small. If the 5 point rule is there I may bet the 2nd or 3rd horse to win. I only make win bets (no place or show) unless the odds are very high on my selection, then I may make a place bet. I never bet a show bet.

I like to key my horses that stand out with their ratings and or box 3 or 4 horses for my trifectas and superfectas. If I make a quinella bet I usually box three horses unless I have a standout to key and then I key that horse to three others.

I hope this has answered some of the questions that you have about my system. I post information on the system on non racing days at the Southern Calif. tracks. You can go back on my posts on those days for more information.The best handicapping tool you can have? GOOD LUCK.

Fri. recap- Race 1- Top pick won (11.20) 2nd pick 2nd (3.20) Ex (13.40) Q (12.80). Race 2- 3rd pick won (4.00) 2nd pick 2nd (2.80) top pick 3rd, picks boxed Ex (4.30) Q (5.00). Race 3- Top pick won (3.80) 3rd pick 2nd (5.40) 4th pick 3rd (2.80) top pick keyed - Ex (10.00) Q 15.20) Trifecta (39.30). Race 4- 2nd pick won (5.80) top pick 2nd (2.40) Ex (5.30) Q (4.60) 1st timer 3rd (2.80) Trifecta (37.60). Race 5- 4th pick won (14.00) top pick 2nd (2.80) 3rd pick 3rd (2.40) picks boxed- Ex (15.40) Q (9.40) Trifecta (39.10). Race 6- top pick 2nd (2.60) 2nd pick 3rd (2.20) 3rd pick eased. Race 7-top pick 2nd (3.40)4th pick won (7.60) boxed Ex (9.90) Q (9.80). Race 8- 2nd pick 2nd (6.40) top pick 4th.

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- The 5 point difference between horses rule (see Dec. 7 post).

RACE 1
4-EXCESS SUMMER 109.3
1-MALMAISON 95.2
5-HICKORY PETE 91.9
3- FAIRLY CRAFTY 87.5

RACE 2
11-SWISS TIZZY 48.8
10-KEEN COLLEEN 45.5
2-SONIC SWISS 34.6
5-LIL JESSIE 15.3

1st time starters - 4, 7, 3, 9, 8, 1

RACE 3
1-IRISH TY 95.2
8-IZA BIG STAR 93.9
2-LONE PRAIRIE 92.6
6-J J JAKE 90.1

RACE 4
7-OLD SKIRT 34.2
6-CONTINENTAL T N T 24.8
11-MOON OVER HEMET 21.3
9-VALUABLE IRISH 20.3

1st time starters - 5, 10, 1, 3, 2, 4

RACE 5
1-SIMPLY BECAUSE 101.8
3-VICTORY SPY 97.1
4-SCARLETT MEMORIES 96.5
6-CROWDED ROOM 85.6

1st time starters - in USA - 2 fgn., 5 fgn.,

RACE 6
5-CEE DAZZEL 64.3
9-LORD CLEAN SWEEP 60.1
8-YO JACOB 21.6
2-BUBBA BROKE ME 18.3

1st time starters - 10, 3, 1, 4, 7, 6

RACE 7
7-LUTHER 96.5
6-EL NUKI 94.5
4-ABBI'S CHOICE 93.2
9-ANTHONY EATS 88.1

RACE 8
6-MCCANN'S MOJAVE 105.9
9-PREACHINATTHEBAR 105.9
7-COURTLY JAZZ 101.1
2-BULLY HAYES 99.8
5-TROTAMONDO 99.8
8-NO GIVEAWAY 99.8

RACE 9
13-LORD MACHO 75.4
11-CAPE KENNEDY 71.4
10-BETTER GREELED 58.5
9-MARTICUS 52.6

Thur. recap- Race 1- Trifecta in order (17.80) Top pick won (4.40) 2nd pick 2nd (3.20) Ex (7.30) Q (9.40) 3rd pick 3rd (2.20). Race 2- Top pick won (3.40) Daily Double (10.00) 3rd pick 2nd (6.80) Ex (9.40) Q (9.60). Race 3- Trifecta in order (15.70) Pick 3 (11.00) D.D. (7.00) Top pick won (4.60) 2nd pick 2nd (3.20) Ex (7.40) Q (9.00) 3rd pick 3rd (2.60). Race 4- 2nd pick won (4.40) 3rd pick 2nd (2.60) 4th pick 3rd (2.40) picks boxed- Trifecta (15.70) Ex (4.80) Q (3.80). Race 5- Top pick 3rd (4.00) 4th pick 2nd (5.20). Race 6- 3rd pick won (5.60) 4th pick 3rd (5.80). Race 7- Top pick won (6.60) 4th pick 2nd (6.80) Top pick keyed- Ex (20.50) Q (25.40) Race 8- 2nd pick won (9.40) 3rd pick 2nd (4.80) top 3 picks boxed- Ex (23.90) Q (23.20) 1st time starter 3rd (10.00) Trifecta (370.60).

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- The 5 point difference between horses rule (see Dec. 7 post).

RACE 1
3-WOODY BE QUICK 58.5
2-ON EDGE 54.6
6-NICCOLO DREAM 54.0
5-BULLET TRAIN 43.8

RACE 2
4-MUDWEISER 81.4
2-THUNDER MAKER 76.0
3-THINGS HAPPEN 69.2
5-TOMMY'S TOPPER 63.6

RACE 3
4-FRESH SQUEEZED 72.0
5-MISS COTTON TAIL 68.1
3-EMERALD SUNRISE 63.2
6-ONE FLEW OVER 60.6

RACE 4
6-DIXIE GLOW 85.6
3-SEATTLE BUDDY 85.0
2-WILD BEGINNINGS 63.1
5-MIDNITE MOONSHINE 55.5

1st time starters - 4, 7

RACE 5
3-YUMMY YUMMY 79.1
6-I'MBETHTOO 77.8
1-SUMTHINBAD 74.9
4-OLE CHERYL 71.4

RACE 6
1-AWESOME BROAD 77.8
7-WILDOUT 71.4
6-LITTLE SIERRA 68.6
2-THUNDER RANSOM 65.4

RACE 7
2-ROY JONES 99.8
1-COMMANDING CREEK 98.1
3-SANKY PANKY 95.8
5-TEMPTATION'S CALL 86.3

RACE 8
9-A MAZING HUMOR 57.5
10-AUNT RITA'S TOMCAT 57.0
8-WYNN APPEAL 53.5
3-IT'S A TOPPER 46.1

1st time starters - 2, 12

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- The 5 point difference between horses rule (see Dec. 7 post).

RACE 1
3-POWERFUL SISTER 54.0
2-EMOTION 48.3
5-DEFINITE MAYBE 46.4
6-APOLLO'S MELODY 25.4

1st time starters - 4, 1

RACE 2
6-KING FAROUK 82.1
1-MAGDALENO 77.8
5-FUSEOUT 74.3
4-CAT ON THE RUN 69.2

1st time starters - 3

RACE 3
6-ROBERT E 98.4
2-DANTHEBLUEGRASSMAN 88.1
1-INTELLIGENT MALE 81.4
3-ROBS COIN 78.4

RACE 4
5-CLASSY LOVER 80.8
3-R STRIKER 78.4
2-EPIC COMMANDER 73.1
1-SPEED TRAP 72.0

RACE 5
1-CRUZIN WITH ASHLEY 52.6
11-HEAVONS CAPER 49.7
6-PLAYFUL BLINT 44.6
5-LATIN WONDER 41.1

RACE 6
2-HEMET 70.9
6-BLACKTIE TONIGHT 67.1
4-POR GUSTO 66.4
7-HOPINGANDWISHING 60.1

RACE 7
7-CLASSICAL LADY 86.3
5-SYNFUL THOUGHT 80.2
6-BEST FRIEND GRACIE 79.6
3-SIP ONE FOR MOM 75.4

RACE 8
7-TORMENTO DE ORO 56.0
9-JET IRON 51.6
8-START YODELING 50.6
3-CERESE SUNSET 27.5

1st time starters - 2, 4, 6, 10, 5, 1

No racing at Hollywood Park today.

Here is some information about my system for the new people.

My system does not use computer generated selections. All selections are made with an ordinary home calculator and ink pen. I use the assigned weight of the jockey (better horses are assigned more weight), the horses best two speed ratings of his last 3 races (how fast he ran for the conditions). I use the last three places the horse finished in his races ( was he placed at the right level by the trainer). I adjust ratings for turf to dirt and dirt to turf (most horses run faster on the turf). I also make an adjustment for the distance of the race.I have a mathmatical formula I created over a 5 year period over 25 years ago. The final number that I list after each selection has taken in all these factors.

A horse should have had 3 races for the figure to be completely accurate. I do list a figure if a horse has run only 1 race but he may not repeat the effort the same way.

A difference of 5 points on the top selection from the 2nd selection should be a good bet. Any horses within 5 points have a good chance of beating him to the finish.We all know that the best horse does not always win. Stumbles, clipped heels, no racing room and boxed in on the rail and most of all Jockeys dumb decisions account for most horses problems.

I hope this helps our new followers understand the system better and how the selections are made.Watch the point differences between the selections and then make your decision on how to bet the race. I wish you the most important factor of all GOOD LUCK.

There is no horse racing at Hollywood Park today.

Hints about my system. - You should always remember the 5 point rule between horses. Any horse that is rated within 5 points of each other has a good chance of beating them on any given day. You should also consider a horse who is dropping or moving up in class. If drop is large enough he may be very competitive with the horses at this level. The same is true with a horse moving up the class level. If the jump in class is too much he may have a difficult time being competetive with these horses.

Not every race should be bet.

First time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must always be considered. I will list the 1st timers in the order I believe they will finish at the bottom of each race's picks. I take into consideration-work out times, number and distance of workouts, trainers connections and morning line oddsmaker predections.

There is no racing today at Hollywood Park.

Here is some information about my system for the new people. My system does not use computer generated selections. All selections are made with an ordinary home calculator and ink pen. I use the assigned weight of the jockey (better horses are assigned more weight), the horses best two speed ratings of his last 3 races (how fast he ran for the conditions). I use the last three places the horse finished in his races ( was he placed at the right level by the trainer). I adjust ratings for turf to dirt and dirt to turf (most horses run faster on the turf). I also make an adjustment for the distance of the race.I have a mathmatical formula I created over a 5 year period over 25 years ago. The final number that I list after each selection has taken in all these factors.

A horse should have had 3 races for the figure to be completely accurate. I do list a figure if a horse has run only 1 race but he may not repeat the effort the same way.

A difference of 5 points on the top selection from the 2nd selection should be a good bet. Any horses within 5 points have a good chance of beating him to the finish.We all know that the best horse does not always win. Stumbles, clipped heels, no racing room and boxed in on the rail and most of all Jockeys dumb decisions account for most horses problems.I hope this helps our new followers understand the system better and how the selections are made.

Watch the point differences between the selections and then make your decision on how to bet the race. I wish you the most important factor of all GOOD LUCK.

Sun. recap- Race 1- Top pick won (4.80) 2nd pick 2nd (2.60) Ex (4.50) Q (4.40) 3rd pick 3rd (2.20) Trifecta in order (8.30). Race 2- 2nd pick won (11.00) top pick - entry- ran 2nd & 3rd (2.10) ( 2.10) Ex (8.20) Q (3.00) our 2nd first time starter ran 4th for the trifecta (14.30). Race 3- Top pick won (5.80) 4th pick 2nd (3.00) 3rd pick 3rd, entry (2.10) top pick keyed or boxed with others- Trifecta (14.40) Ex (7.20) Q (7.00). Race 4- Top pick 2nd (2.80) 2nd pick won (6.40) boxed- Ex (9.80) Q (8.00) 3rd pick 3rd (2.40) Trifecta (21.00). Race 5- Top 1st timer won (9.80) 2nd pick 2nd, we only had 2 picks that had run (3.60) 3rd 1st timer ran 3rd (3.20) Ex (15.50) Q (14.80) trifecta (80.60). Race 6- our 4 picks boxed - Superfecta (314.10) Top 3 picks boxed- Trifecta (33.80) Top pick 2nd (3.40) 2nd pick won (7.20) 3rd pick 3rd (3.20) 4th pick 4th. Race 7- 4th pick 3rd (4.40).Race 8- 4th pick won (16.00) 2nd pick 4th. Race 9 Top pick 3rd (2.40).

No racing at Hollywood Park today.

Some questions answered.

I have been receiving requests to teach my system step by step from several of you fellow bettors in order that you can use it at different tracks. This is something that I have thought about over the years as many of my friends have wanted the same thing. I decided against this as I live in Reno Nv and enter different handicapping contests and Double Quinella contests and I do not want to compete against my own figures. I will continue to post my top 4 figures in each race for the Southern Calif. tracks on racing days. It does work at all tracks without having to make adjustments so don't worry about a horse that has shipped in from another track. His figure should be valid.

Why do I post 4 horses for each race? I post 4 horses with their ratings for each race as my figures are made and usually posted before scratches. If one is scratched you would still have 3 selections. I also like to play superfectas and trifectas with my system and to box the different horses or key the top horses to the others.

Recap payouts - I list the payouts on the minimum bet such as a $1 trifecta, $2 Quinella, $1 Exacta, $1 Superfecta, etc. as given by the track results. I have a small advantage betting here in Reno on Quinellas at the racebook I go to as they offer a "house Q"- this is 1/2 the win price times the place horses price. Then they pay either the track payout or the "house Q" payout, and I receive the highest of the two.

Are my listed horses in the order that they should be bet? N0- I have pointed out the 5 point difference rule many many times (see Nov. 22 post). Also the 1st time starters cannot be rated under my system and they must always be considered. I do try to list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish. If there are a couple of high rated horses and then a gap between the next horse's figure I would usually include the 1st timer. If his works are very good I would also include him.

Do I make money all the time? I make money over a longer period of time but I have streaks just like every bettor does. Yesterday was a very good day for me with the trifectas. The next racing day???? I post my picks with the ratings, I post the payouts that were possible if you used the picks. How you bet the picks is the key. My top horse wins alot but many of the payouts are small. If the 5 point rule is there I may bet the 2nd or 3rd horse to win. I only make win bets (no place or show) unless the odds are very high on my selection, then I may make a place bet. I never bet a show bet. I like to key my horses that stand out with their ratings and or box 3 or 4 horses for my trifectas and superfectas. If I make a quinella bet I usually box three horses unless I have a standout to key and then I key that horse to three others.

I hope this has answered some of the questions that you have about my system. I post information on the system on non racing days at the Southern Calif. tracks. You can go back on my posts on those days for more information.The best handicapping tool you can have? GOOD LUCK

Sat. recap- Race 1- 2nd pick won (4.00) top pick 2nd (3.00) 2 picks boxed- Ex (5.20) Q (5.00). Race 2- top pick 2nd (2.20) 3rd pick won (10.40) picks boxed-Ex (9.40) Q (5.60). Race 3- 2nd pick won (6.40) top pick 3rd. Race 4- Top pick won (3.80) 2nd pick 3rd (2.40). Race 5- Top 1st timer won (10.00) 3rd pick 3rd (4.20) 2nd pick 4th. Race 6- Top pick won (11.20) 4th pick 2nd (6.00) 3rd pick 3rd (7.60) top pick keyed or boxed- Ex (31.30) Q (33.20) TRIFECTA (677.70). Race 7- 2nd pick 3rd (4.60) 4th pick 2nd (9.60). Race 8- 2nd pick won (8.60). Race 9- 4th pick won (44.80) note: 3rd pick, Pat Val. got of mount as gate opened - why?

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- The 5 point difference between horses rule (see Nov. 29 post).

RACE 1
2-COMPLICIT SWISS 85.6
4-YOUCALLINMEALIAR 76.0
5-THE MISSILE CAME 67.5
1-BALIUS 53.0

RACE 2
1-A. P. SURPRISE 88.8 (entry)
1A-TOPPISME 81.4 (entry)
2-SIXY SURPRISE 65.9
5-PURE INCENTIVE 60.6

1st time starters - 6, 4, 3

RACE 3
2-HOUSE OF FORTUNE 100.5
4-THE YELLOW SHEET 92.0
1A-SOLDIER'S KISS 90.7 (entry)
5-WESTERN HEMISPHERE 90.1

RACE 4
3-JR. LIFEGUARD 68.6
7-FIVE O'CLOCK 58.5
1-PROLLY 56.5
4-BURNING AFFAIR 55.0

RACE 5
4- LUCERA 83.2
5-SUNRISE SUMMER 66.4

1st time starters - 3, 1, 7, 2, 6

RACE 6
4-WAKI AMERICAN 82.1
2-PRESUMPTION 76.0
7-TOMBSTONE 74.3
12-COSMIC GLITTER 73.1

RACE 7
7-SHELLEY'S ROSARIO 88.1 (off slow)
8-MY KITTY CAT 70.3
2-IN MY LIFE 67.5
6-SILK KERCHIEF 67.1

RACE 8
2-AREYOUTALKINTOME 107.3
4-TEXCESS 102.5
1-STALKING TIGER 102.5
6-PROUD TOWER TOO 99.1

RACE 9
7-IT'S VODKA TALKING 55.5
5-STAR OF SPRING 50.6
6-BEE A LION 47.4
1-TRUE AND FAITHFUL 46.1

Thurs. recap- Race 1- 2nd pick won (4.00) 3rd pick 2nd (2.40) top pick 3rd -Ex (3.10)Q (3.60). Race 2- top pick 2nd (2.60) 2nd pick 3rd (2.40). Race 3-Top pick 2nd (2.80) 3rd pick won (4.40) 2nd pick-eased-picks boxed Ex (8.60) Q (8.00). Race 4- Top pick won (6.00) 3rd pick 2nd (6.00) picks boxed- Ex (19.50) Q (18.20). Race 5- Top pick 2nd (3.00) 3rd pick won (11.40) 1st timer 3rd (5.00) 2nd pick 4th- Top 3 and 1st timer boxed - superfecta (371.80) Trifecta (192.20) top 3 picks boxed- Ex (11.80) Q (11.60). Race 6- 2nd pick won (7.00) top pick 2nd (3.80) boxed- Ex (11.80) Q (11.60). Race 7- Top pick won (6.40) 2nd pick 2nd (3.40) Ex (9.60) Q (9.60). Race 8- Top pick 3rd (2.40) 2nd pick 2nd (6.20).

REMEMBER- 1st time starters cannot be rated with my system. They must be considered. I will list the 1st time starters in the order I believe they will finish.

ALWAYS REMEMBER- The 5 point difference between horses rule (see Nov. 29 post).

RACE 1
1-YOU BEAUTY 65.4 (off slow)
4-SMOKEY WHITE EYES 64.3
3-DECORATED SOLDIER 59.0
2-STARTATTHETOP 50.2

RACE 2
9-MEMOGRAM 78.4
6-PLAYGIRL 77.2
10-KISSY KAT 73.1
3-SHE ROVES 68.1

RACE 3
5-PABLITO SPECIAL 64.8
6-MULKI 57.5
3-IAM THE TAX MAN 54.0
7-TIZ A SENSATION 53.5

RACE 4
8-GOLD BANKERS GOLD 87.5
2-SEA OF SILVER 85.0
4-DREAM PLACE 82.6
7-SLEW'EM AND RUN 77.2

RACE 5
1A- ROYAL YEAR 81.4 (entry)
3-VERY CHIC 58.0
5-BRIDGET'S CROSS 55.0
2-NOSTALGIE 53.0

1st time starters - 7, 1, 4, 8

RACE 6
8-MR. JOE C 99.8
7-SAINT CRISJON 90.2
4-TINQUILCO 88.9
5-COLDNTIGHT 88.5

RACE 7
2-RESIDENT ALIEN 98.4
7-INDIAN FLARE 95.2
1-TIZ ROYALTY 81.4
6-ACLEVERSHADEOFJADE 80.8

RACE 8
14-JULEP CUP 46.1
8-THE GREAT QUESTION 43.3
4-ONE WILY IRISH 38.2
10-LUCKY MONKEY 37.1

1st time starters - 1, 3, 12